This seems contradictory

[Bowen]

When I am being mindful and in the present it makes no difference to the pain I have. Even though I have practiced it a lot to the point where I had a floatation tank at home and got into deep states relaxation and when I got out I was worse so I had to sell it?

It is difficult to make sense of.

 

[BloodMoon]

I thought I'd ask perplexity.ai about this and this is what it came up with...

"Why Mind/Body Symptoms Can Worsen After Deep Relaxation
It may seem counterintuitive, but many people with mind/body symptoms (such as anxiety, chronic pain, or psychosomatic issues) report that their symptoms actually get worse after achieving deep relaxation. This phenomenon is recognized in psychology and is sometimes called relaxation-induced anxiety (RIA) or the relaxation paradox.

Key Reasons for Symptom Worsening

1. Heightened Awareness of Internal States

• Deep relaxation often reduces external distractions, making you more aware of bodily sensations and thoughts. If you have underlying anxiety or physical discomfort, this increased awareness can make symptoms feel more intense.
• For example, someone with chronic pain may notice their pain more acutely when their mind is quiet and focused inward.

2. Fear of Emotional Shifts (Contrast Sensitivity)

• If you are used to being in a state of constant alertness or anxiety, relaxation represents a significant emotional shift. The mind may resist this shift, fearing that letting down its guard will make you vulnerable to a sudden return of anxiety or distress.
• This can create a cycle where the attempt to relax actually triggers anxiety about losing control or about what might happen next.

3. Habitual Worry as a Coping Mechanism

• Some people unconsciously use worry as a way to feel prepared or protected. When relaxation interrupts this habitual worry, it can paradoxically cause anxiety to spike, as the mind feels unprotected or exposed.
• This is particularly common in those with generalized anxiety disorder, where the brain tries to maintain a steady (if unpleasant) state to avoid sharp emotional spikes.

4. Homeostatic Dysregulation and Nervous System Overstimulation

• When the body has been in a prolonged state of stress or hyperarousal, the nervous system may struggle to adjust to relaxation. This can cause symptoms to temporarily worsen as the body attempts to find a new balance.
• The body may "fight back" against relaxation because it is not used to a calm state, leading to sensations like increased muscle tension, numbness, or even panic.

5. Intrusive Thoughts and Emotional Release

• Relaxation can sometimes allow suppressed emotions or thoughts to surface, which can be uncomfortable or distressing. This is a normal part of the mind/body healing process, but it can feel like a setback.

Common Experiences

• Muscle tension or pain increases
• Anxiety or panic attacks during or after relaxation
• Intrusive, negative thoughts
• Physical symptoms (e.g., numbness, heart palpitations) become more noticeable

What Can Help?

• Acceptance and patience: Recognize that this is a common, temporary phase for many people and not a sign that relaxation is harmful.
• Gradual exposure: Practice relaxation in small doses and allow your body and mind to adjust over time.
• Guided support: Working with a therapist or using guided relaxation techniques can help manage and process difficult sensations or emotions as they arise.

In summary:
Worsening symptoms after deep relaxation are often due to increased self-awareness, fear of emotional change, habitual worry, and the nervous system's adjustment process. These reactions are well-documented and typically resolve with continued gentle practice and support."

 

[Diana-M]

When I am being mindful and in the present it makes no difference to the pain I have. Even though I have practiced it a lot to the point where I had a floatation tank at home and got into deep states relaxation and when I got out I was worse so I had to sell it?

It is difficult to make sense of.

Have you read Claire Weekes’ Hope and Help for Your Nerves? She explains a lot that is really useful. One thing she always emphasizes is that it takes time to heal your nervous system. Sometimes a lot of time. Just because you haven’t seen results yet doesn’t mean you won’t.

 

[Bowen]

I thought I'd ask perplexity.ai about this and this is what it came up with...

"Why Mind/Body Symptoms Can Worsen After Deep Relaxation
It may seem counterintuitive, but many people with mind/body symptoms (such as anxiety, chronic pain, or psychosomatic issues) report that their symptoms actually get worse after achieving deep relaxation. This phenomenon is recognized in psychology and is sometimes called relaxation-induced anxiety (RIA) or the relaxation paradox.

Key Reasons for Symptom Worsening

1. Heightened Awareness of Internal States

• Deep relaxation often reduces external distractions, making you more aware of bodily sensations and thoughts. If you have underlying anxiety or physical discomfort, this increased awareness can make symptoms feel more intense.
• For example, someone with chronic pain may notice their pain more acutely when their mind is quiet and focused inward.

2. Fear of Emotional Shifts (Contrast Sensitivity)

• If you are used to being in a state of constant alertness or anxiety, relaxation represents a significant emotional shift. The mind may resist this shift, fearing that letting down its guard will make you vulnerable to a sudden return of anxiety or distress.
• This can create a cycle where the attempt to relax actually triggers anxiety about losing control or about what might happen next.

3. Habitual Worry as a Coping Mechanism

• Some people unconsciously use worry as a way to feel prepared or protected. When relaxation interrupts this habitual worry, it can paradoxically cause anxiety to spike, as the mind feels unprotected or exposed.
• This is particularly common in those with generalized anxiety disorder, where the brain tries to maintain a steady (if unpleasant) state to avoid sharp emotional spikes.

4. Homeostatic Dysregulation and Nervous System Overstimulation

• When the body has been in a prolonged state of stress or hyperarousal, the nervous system may struggle to adjust to relaxation. This can cause symptoms to temporarily worsen as the body attempts to find a new balance.
• The body may "fight back" against relaxation because it is not used to a calm state, leading to sensations like increased muscle tension, numbness, or even panic.

5. Intrusive Thoughts and Emotional Release

• Relaxation can sometimes allow suppressed emotions or thoughts to surface, which can be uncomfortable or distressing. This is a normal part of the mind/body healing process, but it can feel like a setback.

Common Experiences

• Muscle tension or pain increases
• Anxiety or panic attacks during or after relaxation
• Intrusive, negative thoughts
• Physical symptoms (e.g., numbness, heart palpitations) become more noticeable

What Can Help?

• Acceptance and patience: Recognize that this is a common, temporary phase for many people and not a sign that relaxation is harmful.
• Gradual exposure: Practice relaxation in small doses and allow your body and mind to adjust over time.
• Guided support: Working with a therapist or using guided relaxation techniques can help manage and process difficult sensations or emotions as they arise.

In summary:
Worsening symptoms after deep relaxation are often due to increased self-awareness, fear of emotional change, habitual worry, and the nervous system's adjustment process. These reactions are well-documented and typically resolve with continued gentle practice and support."

I can understand where a lot of that makes sense. The only thing have been practicing this a long time and it doesnt seem to change and specifically with the floatation tank I would never label the and physical pain I would only acknowledge it as a neutral sensation just like I do when observing it through the day so I am still stumped on this.

 

[Bowen]

No I havent I will have a look at it.

 

[BloodMoon]

The only thing have been practicing this a long time and it doesn't seem to change

Like I said in my other posting to you on your other recent thread about this, unfortunately, it can take a long time for some people. It took me circa 4 years to go from totally bedridden and housebound to functioning pretty well these days by comparison. I've found that you need to keep the faith, keep doing TMS work; keep repeating and throwing TMS work/'mud' at the wall and a lot of it will stick and gradually alter the way your brain functions without you realising it. With a lot of my symptoms they were there with a vengeance for ages and then I'd have other symptoms appear and then I'd suddenly notice that the 'with a vengeance' symptoms had either gone or faded a lot. That's been the same with all of the major symptoms that my brain decided to give me. Imo, although it's understandable to do so and I at one time used to do it too, if you're analysing the process and wondering why it's not working then you're putting up a barrier because you're not believing that it will eventually work... this essentially plays into your TMSing brain's hands.

 

[Diana-M]

keep repeating and throwing TMS work/'mud' at the wall and a lot of it will stick and gradually alter the way your brain functions without you realising it.

you're analysing the process and wondering why it's not working then you're putting up a barrier because you're not believing that it will eventually work

@BloodMoon
Your longtime effort and success (and you have had it in my opinion!) is such an example of bravery, endurance, patience, and fortitude— that I have needed as an example. I’m so grateful for what you’ve learned, how you’ve recovered your life (even if it’s not perfect yet, it’s still a good life!) and what you’re sharing with everyone. It gives me hope every day. Thank you so much!

 

[JanAtheCPA]

Even though I have practiced it a lot to the point where I had a floatation tank at home and got into deep states relaxation and when I got out I was worse so I had to sell it?

Well, it seems to me that all you did was invest in a contraption with an expectation that it would be "the answer" - so of course it was a failure. That's no different than hoping that a special pillow or custom orthotics or a radical diet or a surgery will "fix" you.

You're still looking for the solution outside of yourself instead of inside, where your emotional resistance resides.