thecomputer
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Hi everyone
I have told my story here before. In brief, I had extreme pain when speaking or using my voice at all, and my voice started falling apart. I went to every specialist I could find, cameras down the throat etc. I was told I had muscle tension dysphonia. I have suffered from chronic anxiety for as long as I can remember, and also quite extreme insomnia, and my throat was always the place I had problems. Now because I this I knew my throat problems were in a huge way due to my constant worry.
I tried all the physical treatments, anything you can think of, I spent thousands. Any relief was temporary.
When I read one of Sarnos Books I had a fair bit of relief, more than anything else, yet it didnt last either. But steadily things have been getting better over many months. I gave up all physical treatments, even yoga and stretches.
So this is where I'm a bit confused. I had my tonsils last year because I thought it may be worsening this problem. It did not directly help my voice problem straight away, but my nervous system calmed right down. I have slept well every night since the day of that operation, sometimes 9 hours! It's so unlike me. I feel so much calmer in general, its a massive change. It has also made me realise how much intense anxiety and tension I have been living in for 15 years or more. I just wish I had had them taken out earlier and avoided a lot of it! I guess if something stays inflamed for years after tonsillitis in my case, then it is still reacting, and maybe on red alert that something is wrong. My nervous system had me in fight or flight all the time! Now it feels quite balanced.
I really believe in TMS for many things, and I know it has played a huge part in my problem. The way that my throat problem differs from say a back problem, is that I only felt pain when using my voice and after, never when silent for some time. If I don't talk for a month, I will feel no pain in that time. In many ways my problem was in the mechanism of speaking, I was engaging the wrong muscles, which is what muscle tension dysphonia is. Now of course this tension could be due to TMS, which I think it was, but also a lot of it was habit, as I had learned to speak in a way that ingrained this tension.
I have just been seeing a very good voice and singing coach, and she noticed straight away that my voice placement was right down in my throat, croaky and deep, no resonance in the chambers of the face. When she said it I realised how right she was. In one session we started to get my voice placed higher, in the mask of the face as they say. It made a huge difference, and hurt much less.
Now even though the root cause of this problem may be TMS, the habits that have formed around that tension have been deeply ingrained. So now that I feel much calmer, and I don't feel I am adding all that tension i used too, the habits are still there. It doesnt feel that dealing with my TMS/emotional issues will reverse 15 years of habitually speaking in a way that is causing tension. I hope that makes sense? It seems to me that there is the tension caused by TMS, and then the muscular/functional habits that form around this tension. Maybe its much more extreme with the voice, as its easy to get into bad habits with it, and the some of the muscles are so tiny and delicate its easy to cause conflict with the surrounding tension.
I feel I hit a wall with my TMS healing, and working with this woman is helping to move things further along. It is not a physical treatment, it is basically learning how to talk and sing in the right way.
I am considering going for some laryngeal manual therapy in London, which is intense throat massage. I went before and it was very painful, but there was no doubt that this man released huge amounts of tension, as mI felt it afterwards, and my voice was almost back to normal. Of course, I put the tension back on at that time.
But now I feel I am not putting on that extra tension, but my body is taking a while to catch up with my new found calm! This is why I feel that some physical work to really iron out some creases, will help because I feel my mind will not bring it back into extreme tension.
I wonder if this makes any sense, and if anyone has opinions?
It's not the usual question of 'Can I do physical therapies and TMS work', or 'I think my problem is structural'. It's simply wondering if the muscles and the body can be helped along the way to catch up with the mind. I realize this is a unique situation, as I went from extreme anxiety to relative calm in a few hours or an operation. I dont imagine many people who suffer with that kind of anxiety will get almost complete relief in a day. This is why I ask...
Thanks for all the support on this forum, its been such an interesting journey ( and a painful one)...I hope to be writing a success story soon
I have told my story here before. In brief, I had extreme pain when speaking or using my voice at all, and my voice started falling apart. I went to every specialist I could find, cameras down the throat etc. I was told I had muscle tension dysphonia. I have suffered from chronic anxiety for as long as I can remember, and also quite extreme insomnia, and my throat was always the place I had problems. Now because I this I knew my throat problems were in a huge way due to my constant worry.
I tried all the physical treatments, anything you can think of, I spent thousands. Any relief was temporary.
When I read one of Sarnos Books I had a fair bit of relief, more than anything else, yet it didnt last either. But steadily things have been getting better over many months. I gave up all physical treatments, even yoga and stretches.
So this is where I'm a bit confused. I had my tonsils last year because I thought it may be worsening this problem. It did not directly help my voice problem straight away, but my nervous system calmed right down. I have slept well every night since the day of that operation, sometimes 9 hours! It's so unlike me. I feel so much calmer in general, its a massive change. It has also made me realise how much intense anxiety and tension I have been living in for 15 years or more. I just wish I had had them taken out earlier and avoided a lot of it! I guess if something stays inflamed for years after tonsillitis in my case, then it is still reacting, and maybe on red alert that something is wrong. My nervous system had me in fight or flight all the time! Now it feels quite balanced.
I really believe in TMS for many things, and I know it has played a huge part in my problem. The way that my throat problem differs from say a back problem, is that I only felt pain when using my voice and after, never when silent for some time. If I don't talk for a month, I will feel no pain in that time. In many ways my problem was in the mechanism of speaking, I was engaging the wrong muscles, which is what muscle tension dysphonia is. Now of course this tension could be due to TMS, which I think it was, but also a lot of it was habit, as I had learned to speak in a way that ingrained this tension.
I have just been seeing a very good voice and singing coach, and she noticed straight away that my voice placement was right down in my throat, croaky and deep, no resonance in the chambers of the face. When she said it I realised how right she was. In one session we started to get my voice placed higher, in the mask of the face as they say. It made a huge difference, and hurt much less.
Now even though the root cause of this problem may be TMS, the habits that have formed around that tension have been deeply ingrained. So now that I feel much calmer, and I don't feel I am adding all that tension i used too, the habits are still there. It doesnt feel that dealing with my TMS/emotional issues will reverse 15 years of habitually speaking in a way that is causing tension. I hope that makes sense? It seems to me that there is the tension caused by TMS, and then the muscular/functional habits that form around this tension. Maybe its much more extreme with the voice, as its easy to get into bad habits with it, and the some of the muscles are so tiny and delicate its easy to cause conflict with the surrounding tension.
I feel I hit a wall with my TMS healing, and working with this woman is helping to move things further along. It is not a physical treatment, it is basically learning how to talk and sing in the right way.
I am considering going for some laryngeal manual therapy in London, which is intense throat massage. I went before and it was very painful, but there was no doubt that this man released huge amounts of tension, as mI felt it afterwards, and my voice was almost back to normal. Of course, I put the tension back on at that time.
But now I feel I am not putting on that extra tension, but my body is taking a while to catch up with my new found calm! This is why I feel that some physical work to really iron out some creases, will help because I feel my mind will not bring it back into extreme tension.
I wonder if this makes any sense, and if anyone has opinions?
It's not the usual question of 'Can I do physical therapies and TMS work', or 'I think my problem is structural'. It's simply wondering if the muscles and the body can be helped along the way to catch up with the mind. I realize this is a unique situation, as I went from extreme anxiety to relative calm in a few hours or an operation. I dont imagine many people who suffer with that kind of anxiety will get almost complete relief in a day. This is why I ask...
Thanks for all the support on this forum, its been such an interesting journey ( and a painful one)...I hope to be writing a success story soon