Oldpain2go

Ok, so I found out about this modality where a practitioner spends up to a couple of hours to engage with your brain and reason with it to get to the bottom of why you are in pain. From what I hear success rates are relatively high after one or two sessions. Has anyone on these forums ever heard of OldPain2Go, has it worked, what are your thoughts? https://oldpain2go.com/ (home - OldPain2Go)

 

Yes, I've heard of it. A friend who, like me, was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia Syndrome (we met years ago at the local NHS hospital pain clinic) tried it and it did nothing for her; it didn't improve her widespread muscle pain at all. Whereas someone I 'met' (also a number of years ago) on a forum for people who have Fibromyalgia and/or Chronic Fatigue/ME, said she had been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and was raving about how she was pain free and back to normal after one session of OldPain2Go. I know my friend really well, but I can't know whether the person on the forum was genuine or not. I guess at least, unlike with a lot of therapies, you don't have to pay for loads of sessions to try it out.

 

The website screams grift to me, and their ‘how it works’ page is down.

 

Why pay for something that you can understand and educate yourself for free?

 

Well, I spent the past few months talking to my brain but I do not understand why it's stuck in a loop of pain. I do not know why the alarms are ringing. They continue to ring. Sometimes people have pain alarms to slow them down e.g. pain with movment. I do not have this. The pain I experience is when sitting. Why does my brain not want me to sit? What is so dangerous about sitting? I have no idea. I tried to negotiate with my mind but it's either stuck on a loop or it's telling me that there is danger. Maybe a skilled/trained OldPain2Go therapist would be able to negotiate with the mind?

 

Mike, even if they could, and I am very doubtful they could, you’re handing over your agency to someone else. That is antithetical to everything about what this process is supposed to be.
What does the dialogue/negotiation that you have with your brain sound like?

 

Mike, it took me at least 11 months before i could say i am no longer in pain and i saw enough improvement at first even very small changes to know i was on the right track, there still sounds like fear in a lot of your posts and i think that it why you are stuck. I had many flare ups during that 11 month period and some were awful but i maintained by approach of not caring whether it hurt or not (annoying yes).

Im 18 months in now, i still have stiffness in certain places like my hands, feet and right hip but i dont sit here fretting about it and i just understand that in time will get better even slowly. Tamara took 2 years to get rid of her worst symptoms, helmut took 3 years to recover so remember 2 months is nothing.

 

What was explained to me is that my mind is stuck in a loop of pain. However, sometimes we cannot exit the loop as we cannot see the wood from the trees. A trained therapist is there not to exit you from the loop but to provide advice and guidance so that you can work out how to exit the loop yourself. Sometime when we are too emotional, exhausted and burdened by the events in our lives we cannot see or think clearly and we may need help. I do comfort my brain telling it there is no danger and that everything is safe. However, it's playing a hard game and I do not know what it wants from me. Perhaps there's nothing it wants from me but it's just frightened and scared. I do not know but maybe there's something I'm missing, you know?

 

I get it that Mike, but your comment mentioned having a therapist negotiate with your mind, that doesn’t make sense to me. I totally get needing that additional support. I just think if you’re looking for more hands on support, then there are more reputable coaches in this space, than some seemingly sketchy website (they could be legit, I have no idea). I was a part of Dan Buglio’s coaching group for a month, it was helpful, was only 99 dollars and no commitment you get 12-15 sessions per month. I think Nicole Sachs has a coaching group, as does Helmut (the mindful gardener)

For me personally, the I’m safe, there’s no danger never worked. For those moments where I know there’s going to be discomfort, or if I’m really stepping out of my comfort zone, then I really really need to be my best friend. Praising myself, my resiliency, that I’ve got through every bad day and this is no different. And forcing that until it sticks. Even praising yourself for the mundane.

we also need to be aware of conditioned responses. If we are expecting to be in pain when sitting, then odds are we’re going to get pain. I developed a real fear around talking as a result of TMj pain, now before I have to talk for long periods I tell my brain, I don’t give a shit, I’m doing this, with or without pain and if pain comes so be it, I’ll get through it like every other time. But I also do my best to visualize it going well beforehand

 

Mike,
Nothing’s dangerous about sitting. It’s just a way to keep you from living. Who can live without the ability to sit? Who can live without the ability to walk, like me? Your subconscious brain (the brain you have ZERO access to) is in control. You can talk to it til your blue in the face. Talk to it all day long. It’s NOT going to tell you what it’s afraid of. It’s not going to just rationally understand that you’re frustrated and turn your pain off. It’s a PRIMITIVE mechanism. Its goal is to PROTECT you from what it thinks is dangerous. It thinks emotions are dangerous. It thinks a lot of things are dangerous.

Your lizard brain listens to actions more than thoughts. So if you want to tell it that sitting isn’t dangerous, you have to sit. It will listen to that. If you want to teach it that emotions aren’t dangerous, you have to FEEL them. Over and over. That’s why journaling helps.

There’s no easy way around any of this. And you can get mad all you want about how long it’s taking. But it’s going to take however long it takes.

I would be highly surprised if this company, OldPain2go, has a miraculous way of accessing the subconscious. I guess it wouldn’t hurt to try. But if it doesn’t work, don’t be surprised—and just realize, it takes work and patience to get rid of TMS.

We get TMS because something is WRONG. It doesn’t happen for no reason. Usually it happens for many reasons, combined. It’s your job to figure out the key to unlock the door. Your brain has said: “Enough Already! Stop living your life all screwed up.” And to fix it, you have to look at everything. How you live, who you interact with, and most importantly, how you treat yourself. It also often —very often—entails the past.

I feel for you, brother! You just want the nightmare to be over. I get it! ❤️

 

I believe, from what Sarno, Schubiner, Moseley and others say, that just by knowing the pain is coming from your nervous system you are already out of the loop. There's of course a lot of things to adjust that take time like emotions, neuroplasticity, anxiety, tension, acceptance, patience etc. It's hard work, we feel emotionally overwhelmed, and to crown it all there's the pain itself. Also we don't have any idea how long it's gonna take.

But the loop for me is going back and forth whether one has TMS or not.