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New medical information on my neck and spine. Inverted curvature.

Discussion in 'Support Subforum' started by Fabi, Aug 13, 2024.

  1. Fabi

    Fabi Well known member

    Hi there! Last week I had very high lower back pain and doctor indicated an MRI.
    The images showed a small broken fibrous ring in my lower back which caused the electric pain in my lower back. But I also had my neck images and they show an inverted curvature of my neck. It is not rectified. It is going the other way which is dangerous but doesn´t qualify for surgery. And it means extra care in almost all activities, basically avoid sudden movements.
    I am sad. I always hoped I could go back to swimming, or riding a bicycle, but it is not safe.
    Do I still have a chance to belong to this group? I am taking specific medication for my spine which works well though my stomach reacts quickly with nasty symptoms.
    Thanks for reading!
     
  2. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Sorry, @Fabi, I lost track of your post. And when I first saw it I wasn't sure how to respond, because I want to say more than "of course you can continue to belong".

    I'm sorry about your diagnosis. But you've known about the basics of TMS theory for many years, so I'm surprised that you don't realize that TMS skills can help you to manage physical injuries and illnesses, although of course ideally we want our skills to help us fully recover if that's possible. Many people have used personal faith and belief in self-healing to completely recover from what appeared to be unrecoverable conditions, so personally, I would not be inclined to buy into any assumptions up front about whether any condition is recoverable or not. Nothing -- NOTHING in this life is black and white. Even palette experts will tell you that black and white themselves are not absolute. But I digress.

    I recall reading about a study some years ago, which recounted how medical professionals who treated people with life-threatening burns noticed that the patients with a constructive and proactive outlook on their ability to recover, and the skill to positively visualize their recovery, always recovered better and faster (in some cases simply did recover) compared to individuals with a negative outlook, or who gave all of their power to others to "fix" them.

    Here on this forum, in addition to the requirement that we do the emotional work, we also need to believe in our ability to promote healing within our own bodies. Even if we can't find 100% recovery, it is always possible to manage symptoms and reduce the need for medications, especially when it comes to pain. Pain relievers act physiologically on the perception of pain that is created by our brains. If there is a need for pain (Hey! Don't walk on that broken leg!) then you should probably pay attention. If there is no need for pain (Hey! Suffer with this migraine instead of uncovering the truth about your horrible childhood!) you can use the knowledge that the pain has no physiological purpose to control it - although obviously it takes time and effort to develop those skills.

    If you're being given pain relievers for whatever this condition is, it means that medically, you are allowed to cover up the pain - which must mean it's not dangerous for you to use that body part. At least, that's how I tend to think of pain relievers. Personally, I'm not above taking an ibuprofen or a Tylenol every once in a while, just to "take the edge off" while I contemplate my emotional state.

    My point is that pain evolved to serve a purpose - so if you deaden the pain, what does that mean about its purpose?

    Anyway, in my many posts, I have often described my pain experience when I crashed my bike and broke my femur in 2008 - I finally saved one of the descriptions in my collection of TMS-isms... here it is. The intro sentence is referring to the neuroscientific fact that all pain (and in fact all bodily sensations and processes) are created by our brains, not by the body part where we think we feel them.

    This (pain is in the brain, not the body part) all explains my experience when I ended up in the ER in 2008 after a bike crash, with pain in my hip that felt like an 8 to me - and I was freaking out over the thought of being totally disabled for 6 or 8 weeks with a broken hip. When the ER doc came back with my x-rays and said it was a simple fracture in the neck of my femur, and that they could pin it up and have me on crutches in two days, my pain level immediately plummeted. They asked if I wanted drugs, and I said that some ibuprofen would be fine, and that's all I ever took. After the surgery they kept coming by to ask about my pain level, to which I finally decided to say "I've had cramps worse than this!" Knowing what was wrong, what they could do, and what I needed to do to heal quickly, was more important to me than the pain. I had not had surgery since my tonsils were removed at age 5, but I decided there was no reason to fear it. I utterly failed to catastrophize the situation once I knew the prognosis, and it's like the pain was optional. It was there to remind me what not to do (obviously) while recovering, but that's it. This happened three years "before Sarno" for me, by the way. I've had anxiety all my life, but this situation provided me with a lot of certainty, and a clear plan of action in which I had faith, and which I was happy to follow to the letter.

    Good luck to you @Fabi - and stick around if you like! Just remember - we don't talk about physical symptom details here - we aren't medical professionals, and although everyone would love to achieve 100% recovery, it turns out that this is a hard goal to reach 100% of the time. So we learn to live with our imperfect brains, we examine the emotional pain and conflict behind so many of our symptoms, and we learn to accept and manage setbacks even if we can't banish them entirely - because there is no cure for life.
     
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2024
  3. Baseball65

    Baseball65 Beloved Grand Eagle

    You might want to do a little more research. I broke my spinal vertebrae in a fall and only found out 18 months later being MRI'd for a different reason....and I had ZERO pain during that time. It had already healed by itself in spite of me being a Hard manual laborer/carpenter/painter/plasterer/hole digger/stuff mover. I just know a lot about TMS and am suspicious of ALL pain.

    Just like herniated discs are just 'there' and get blamed for symptoms, a lot of other conditions that are blamed on 'diagnosable phenomena' are also most certainly the same thing....I was told the swelling/ discomfort I had in my rib cage was my Gall bladder and that I needed to have it out or risked a pancreatic infection. BUT...I read online that a lot of people have that procedure and STILL have the sensation. So I treated it as TMS and rarely remember I was 'supposed' to have it out, and obviously I haven't died of pancreatitis (the warning my GP gave me)...that was 10 years ago.

    I just discovered a big old growth on my wrist. I looked it up and it is a 'Ganglion Cyst'...I imagine if i didn't know about TMS, my brain would run away with it...but I do, so it hasn't.

    I guess the point I'm trying to make is , just because they 'find' stuff, doesn't mean they are right...they thought they were right about discs, inflammation and a lot of other stuff that has since been proven to be benign.

    and yeah, anyone who doesn't have much faith left in the 'Medieval Medical Mythology' is welcome here

    so, Welcome!!!
     
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  4. Fabi

    Fabi Well known member

    Thank you for your reply. Just a few thoughts that popped up while reading it.
    I recognize the importance of pain in this lower back issue. I know there are things that I can´t do for my own benefit. Especially when it comes to the automated movements I do. So, that´s a point.
    The underlying emotion is fear, fear of who will eventually take care of me when I am not able to. This fear is strongly tinted with the lack of care I got since I was a baby. I know it now, still the fear is automatic. Secondly, this means losing my independence, something I value a lot, since I live alone and I lack friends or family to look after me. I know I feel it like a dead end; and I know it doesn´t have to be like that.
    Also, the doctor was not really supportive, he said my neck images was worse than my lower back. And he said there was nothing he could do. He said surgery is not an option, which I was not looking for.
    I strongly believe I have this karma to live through, I consider myself a survivor in many ways ( growing in a very neglectful family, surving lightning, living and studying in a strange place from a very young age)
    But, when I wake up to pain, and sleep has always been an issue and it has been better for the past month, I just can´t believe it.
    I also had a severe spasm about 3 weeks after the diagnoses, I was cooking and slowly pain started to develop and it was so bad I was about to throw up. So I fear these showings of unpredictable pain, which I never knew before.
    I can handle a migrane every day, but knowing it someone pushes me or I trip it could get worse is really scaring.
    Yes, my brain is responsible for all the pain, anticipation, etc. What about migranes that appear in the middle of the nice early hours of sleep? I don´t know.
    Of course I will stick around. I never stop looking or wanting to be better and I know things aren´t always one way.
    This electricity on my back felt very badly, like around 7. I screamed with anguish which probably made it worst. I appeared sitting in my diner chair. (after a fall two months before...)
    I had forgotten about visualization , thank you for that reminder.
     
  5. Fabi

    Fabi Well known member

    Thank you!!!
    I think my ganglion cyst was my first surgery. I was learning how to type in these typewriters that you needed to push your fingers very hard to press a key. Exams were aproaching and I dreaded the teacher. I developed the cyst and voile! the pain was gone, but I used the avoidance strategy, or at least my body did, of course following a pattern already in my mind by the time I was 14!
    I know MRI images don´t necessarily explain the pain.
    I also had surgery for my gall bladder. I couldn´t get up after surgery for 2 days. The doctor couldn´t believe me. The patient on the next bed was having tea sitting upright and I was almost crying for help. Nothing wrong with the surgery, but fear was very high, I see that now.
     
  6. Cactusflower

    Cactusflower Beloved Grand Eagle

    Your MRI findings are what Dr. Sarno calls normal abnormalities. I was diagnosed with both of these “problems” at some point, but it's all TMS.
     
  7. JanAtheCPA

    JanAtheCPA Beloved Grand Eagle

    Why do so many people think that our brains are doing nothing while we sleep? SO UNTRUE! During sleep, the gazillion of processes that are used to see, hear, smell, taste, stand, move, balance, etc. are able to rest, and the brain reservoirs where we unconsciously store all kinds of perceptions and experiences and emotions from the waking hours are now being accessed and processed while we sleep. While processing these thoughts and emotions, our brains might be even busier than during the day!

    A LOT of people with TMS report being woken in the night with symptoms. Like you, they think this means that there must be something uniquely wrong with them. Nope - this is very common. It's just another form of the many versions of how TMS keeps you stuck.

    You can use visualization, self-talk, and a brief meditation before you go to sleep to enjoy better and more productive sleep.
     
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