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    Hi have read Dr Sarnos book after having pain. My pain is metastatic in that it moves around depending on what part of the body i am using. Eg if i play golf i get pain in my arms and legs. If i using my hands for diy i get pain in my wrists n fingers. The pain usually surfaces about twelve hours after the activity and is in joints or muscles used in the activity. I have been treated for depression for 5 months by my MD for this but the drugs do not seem to work. Having read Dr Sarno i am now of the belief that the pain is pyschosomatic. Obviously i require introspection to find out what emotional or other issues may be causing this as i genuinely have no idea. My question is is this type of roaming pain delayed by twelve hours as i have descirbed classical of TMS ?
  2. Derek Sapico MFT

    Derek Sapico MFT TMS Therapist

    The fact that it roams is definitely suspicious. Furthermore, 12 hour delay? That's just weird.

    TMS symptoms often do wacky things that tip us off. If it doesn't make sense to you or your doctors, it's probably TMS. Especially if you fit the profile and have a lot of fear and preoccupation around the symptoms.

    Get structural causes ruled out and then commit yourself to approaching this from a mind-body approach.

    Good luck to you!


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  3. Grateful17

    Grateful17 Well known member

    Hi. I too have had this weird delayed TMS pain to every area possible. Like if I write a lot, my hands will be stiff/painful the next day. I was diagnosed in July with TMS by a MD that specializes in it. Now that I am on to it, those symptoms are not able to talk hold and are now less severe when they do happen. PROGRESS.

    TMS should stand for 'TOTALLY MADE-UP SH*T............LOL. Seriously.
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  4. Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021)

    Walt Oleksy (RIP 2021) Beloved Grand Eagle

    Hi, Guest and Grateful.

    Knowing that our pains are not structural but from TMS, repressed emotions and/or a perfectionist and "goodist" personality, knocking ourselves out to please people, is the first big step toward healing. I urge both of you, if you haven't done it yet, to start the Structured Educational Program, which is free in the subforum of this website. It will help you to discover the MindBody causes of your pains.

    Here is another member of the TMS community's success story about the SEP:

    Kevin healed 95 % from SEP

    Welcome to the SEP and to the path of recovery. I am on my final two days of the program and I can say with complete confidence that I am a changed man. I started after 6 months of nasty low-back/butt/leg pain, could hardly walk, stand, etc. was in physical therapy, chiropractor, acupuncture, pain medications, etc.. the usual. My MRI showed 3 disk bulges/herniations touching nerves, so that is what I believe it to be....that is until I read Dr. Sarno and found this site.

    I encourage you to really get involved, follow the instructions, do the journaling, take time to read all the suggested readings, and watch the videos. I'd say I'm 95% cured. There is still some very light lingering "annoyance", but I still have some work to do. I've been walking miles with hardly any pain these last few weeks. But even more, if the pain comes on now, it just doesn't bother me like it used to, I sorta just see it, acknowledge it, and go about my business. It took working the program to get to that point, but 6 weeks compared to 6 months is nothing! I made more progress in the first week than I did from two months of PT!!! It's going to challenge you and your "beliefs" in medicine, but you have nothing to lose. We generally wind up here when all else fails.

    So give it a shot, especially before considering anything invasive like surgery. If you put the work in, you will get better. Have you read Dr. Sarno yet? I assume you have since you're here, but in case you haven't, definitely readHealing Back Pain. Again, it will challenge everything you've believed about your pain, and backs in general. You'll be encouraged to resume life as normal, i.e. stop ALL "therapies" (PT, chiro, etc.), stop taking medications, and most importantly, stop thinking STRUCTURAL problems are the cause of your pain and shift to psychological as the reason.....again, this can be difficult and takes some time to sink in, so be patient and kind to yourself.

    It was a process for me. A few of the bigger moves in my case were: I ripped up and threw out my MRI test results (I found myself obsessively reading over them and comparing them to other results I could find on the web and even here on the TMSwiki site...); I got back to the gym and stopped using a weight belt; and I even cancelled an appointment I had made with aTMS doctorbecause it was more than a month away and it was hindering my recovery (that is, my 100% belief in TMS was lagging because I had this pending appointment, but as soon as I cancelled it, my recovery sped up significantly). Everyone's journey is unique to their situation, but I've found that really committing to the program and brining what I learn from it into my daily life has had profound results. Also, sharing along the way here in these forums has been extremely helpful - there's something about knowing that you're not alone in your TMS recovery that really helps. I encourage you to look through my past posts for some insight into my experience with SEP. Like I said, I'm just now finishing, tomorrow is my final day, and I feel like a changed person. It's amazing. And I feel as though it is something that one carries on with, not just like a one time 6 week thing and that's that...it has helped me to get to know myself and taught me tools to "deal" with my emotions. Learning and accepting TMS is a life changer for sure.
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